What does the word "promote" mean?

I would never advocate or encourage someone else to live my life, and I don't like it when other people tell me that I should live their life.

Respect for each other doesn't mean we all have to BE the same.

It's a shame this isn't obvious to everyone. I mean, it's kind of hard to promote dieting when you have no interest in dieting yourself.

But you know me, I'm the Susan Powter of Fat Acceptance.

Peace,
Shannon

I think it is important to make the distinction that the Notes feed is only a small part of the FA movement. Sure there may be elements of the FA movement that are ok with WLS or diet talk (although I am not certain I know of such groups within FA that are pro WLS or dieting as such). Just as there are parts that are not ok with it (which from my experience would be the larger group). Notes happens to be a place that is not ok with it. If I have to take the brunt of any fall out because of that stance, ok. But I am continuing what has been the position re diet talk on Notes since the beginning. And the fat=unhealthy being unacceptable thing is part of that. I guess I don't get why people who don't agree with those positions would want to be on the Notes feed in the first place. Ok, so Notes is the most well known FA feed. Maybe it is the most well known for a reason? Maybe it is because of the no diet talk and no fat=unhealthy talk that Notes has been successful and is well known? My personal perspective is that if we allow diet talk and fat=unhealthy talk on the feed, then the feed (and ultimately FA) loses credibility. That is just my opinion of course and I don't expect everyone to agree with me. That said, I don't think I should have to cop aggression and abuse when someone doesn't want to play by the established guidelines of the feed. This isn't a go at you Elizebeth, you know I am a fan of yours! Thanks for some rational discussion about the topic. Oh and I don't think that expressing an alternative opinion means you are making enemies in FA, I think it is more about how you express that opinion (or any opinion on anything for that matter) and the way you approach the matter.

Is there any way of subbing to the comments of a particular post? When I am on a specific page of your blog there is no rss orange icon in the url bar so I can't subscribe to comments on a particular post, something I would love to be able to do as it gets time consuming going back to check threads all the time : )

Bri...you should see the rss subscription icon in your url bar now.

Bri -

I don't think there is, or has been, an alternative feed/space for those that aren't anti-weightloss and pro-health within FA.

It's more like there are a collection of individuals that believe in Fat Acceptance and/or a body positive perspective, but also believe in an individuals right to make choices for their own bodies, but don't have a way to gather around that belief.

There are also a collection of people that have been ousted from the existing movement becasue they choose weight loss. Hanne Blank, for example, at once point was a name of note in FA, until she made the choice to loose weight. (http://laurietobyedison.com/discuss/?p=426)

Separate from that, I don't think you give yourself enough credit. You have quite a bit of power as the moderator of the Notes Feed. And the Notes feed is much more than "a small part of the FA movement."

BUT...the majority of the people I see on the Notes feed AGREE with the rules you set forth. At times they do so in ways that are so vehement that I've actually stared to feel a bit uncomfortable reading post on the Notes feed.

This post was about me reflecting on the anger I've seen on the Notes feed over the last couple day, not about the choices your making for the feed.

Anyhow. I think it's more productive to try and start something new, than try to convert those who aren't interested in the position I'm taking.

Creating something new is hard and takes time and there is the very real possibility of failure. But I'm doing it anyway.

Elizebeth

It's all good Elizebeth : )

I would really like to understand how people 'marry' Fat Acceptance and what the movement is essentially about, with being pro-weight loss. Honestly. I would love a rational non emotive succint discussion about it. I would like to see the thought process that gets people to that point (that they can marry FA and WL). I am not saying I am going to agree with you but I would still be interested in knowing how you can believe in both at the same time. I don't know if that is something you would want to post about but I know it is something I would be interested in reading.

It is actually quite easy to promote (ie bring attention to) something, in this case dieting for 'health reasons' as being an acceptable thing to do, even if you have no intention of carrying out the activity yourself. Quite easy indeed.

And seeing as you continue to tell people that I wouldnt tell you why you were removed from the feed, or to quote any offending piece of any of your posts, I will tell you why I haven't done that. Because I do not respond to people who are aggressive or abusive. You have yet to apologise to me directly for your words and actions that were directed at me and I think even if you did do so now, it is too little too late.

Too little too late, my ass. You didn't have a reason. You decided I was too much of a hassle to have around and even though you said it was okay for me to post what I posted with the appropriate trigger warnings and a link to the offending interview.

Yeah, I was aggressive and abusive, because your decision was, in my opinion, an arbitrary and unfounded decision. I think you had no real justification and that's why you won't answer.

SP included two guest posts on WLS without promoting WLS. Did you consider booting them for including diverse opinions then? No. But having a conversation about dieting? Grounds for immediate expulsion, no warning, no questions asked.

It stinks to high heaven and you cannot justify it, hence your silence on the matter. Now you've got people on your site calling me pro-diet and fat-hating. That's just absurd to the max.

I would have been up for a discussion of my status on the Fatosphere (as I said in an email I sent to those I wanted on my new feed the day before you booted me), but you didn't include me in the conversation. You had a conversation with yourself that went, "Hey, you don't want to be here anyway, so I'm doing you a favor and kicking you off now."

So don't act like I'm this irrational asshole for getting mad about the way you handled it. You handled it poorly and tactlessly, so I responded poorly and tactlessly. End of story.

Now you've got what you want: a feed with a narrow interpretation of what is acceptable Fat Acceptance. Good luck with that.

As for the rest of us, we're interested in bringing more people to the conversation. People who don't agree with us always, but who are striving for the same end.

I just don't understand why you or others like you think that is such a dangerous idea.

Peace,
Shannon

I didnt run the feed when SP posted that particular item. I didnt run the feed when Rachel had a similar item on her blog.

Whatever Shannon. You can think what you like of me. I couldn't care less. Good luck with your new feed and your interpretation of what FA should be about.

Then I swear I'm done.

Had you been administrator at the time, would you have removed them from the feed?

Peace,
Shannon

I'm asking you both in separate replies.

Bri and Atchka ;

Please do not continue this argument on my blog.

My one rule for comments :"I welcome respectful discourse. I won't abide attacking or hateful behavior."

If you'd like an explanation of WHY I'm asking this, then email me privately.

I'm asking you both in separate replies.

Bri and Atchka ;

Please do not continue this argument on my blog.

My one rule for comments :"I welcome respectful discourse. I won't abide attacking or hateful behavior."

If you'd like an explanation of WHY I'm asking this, then email me privately.

Understood.